Sunfire Theater Grand Processor A/V Preamplifier

Sunfire Theater Grand Processor A/V Preamplifier 

DESCRIPTION

Preamp /Processor/Tuner

USER REVIEWS

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[Mar 14, 2005]
smokehouse
AudioPhile

Strength:

Pure sound, the clarity, punch and detail are simply amazing! 5.1 is nothing short of breathtaking!

Weakness:

No bells and whistles. Simply 5.1 and CD.

I’m not a rich man by any means. I recently got a real deal on a Rotel RMB-1075 5ch amp and decided to take a matching, older Rotel RSP-1066 proc home for demo. I had been using my Marantz SR7400 receiver as a proc before doing this. Don’t get me wrong, the 7400 is no slouch but the 1066 blew it out of the water in almost every way…..except one. The detail was there as was awesome bass management but one thing, one HUGE thing was wrong. It was simply too bright sounding. For the $$ ($1200) I simply could not justify the price. This got my curiosity sparked. With some calls I found a local dealer that had a demo Theater Grand Mk I proc that I could take home on demo. I jumped on the opportunity. I will say this; this unit’s age really turned me off at first. I mean, a proc that’s almost 7 years old?! How good could it be? The answer is not good but plain amazing. This unit is a die-hard, 5.1 movie and CD machine. Sure, it doesn’t handle HDTV signals through its component outs nor does it decode DTSES or Dolby Digital EX. It does not even have 6ch inputs for DVDA or SACD. These things do not concern me. All my components are direct line to my set. My Laserdisc player, DVD player and OTA HD tuner are all direct line. Why pay more $$ for doubles of my expensive Tributaries Direct connect cables just so I can rout them through my receiver? My HT is for movies, the occasional CD and HD content only. No VCR, no cable, no satellite and no DVDA or SACD. My Rotel is only 5ch so I do not need the rear center processing anyway, besides, I had 6.1 running off my Marantz and was never impressed. So far you’re thinking, “Man, this thing is outdated, why did he buy it?” Well, what it does do is process 5.1 Dolby Digital, DTS and 2ch CD with amazing clarity and precision. When I say amazing I mean AMAZING. This is hands down the best proc I have heard to date. I liken this thing to a high power 2 seater roadster, not comfortable, loud road noise, rather open to the elements, but an absolute blast to drive. Sure, this thing does not have all the amenities found on the TG Mk III or Mk IV, but it doesn’t cost over $3000 either (at least not anymore). As a matter of fact I got this thing from Avalon for $999 shipped, new in box with 2yr warranty. I feel that for the $$ there’s no better deal to be found. Not to pricey for us normal folk. I plan to add an Outlaw Audio ICBM to further enhance the bass management and I’ll also go with a Home Theater Master MX-500 remote to replace the touch screen Sunfire pack-in, but hey, that’s still only $1350 for all three, not bad. For you guys out there looking to buy a used one for less $$ than new, I say if the unit is well taken care of, go for it! I love this thing and will only replace it when full-blown HDDVD or Blu-Ray players come out and are affordable (at least 2 more years). I’ll probably take the plunge at that time and buy a new unit capable of processing the 2 new HD sound formants DD and DTS are coming out with. For now, I’m in love with this proc and would not trade it for the world!

Similar Products Used:

Rotel, Marantz, Yamaha, Classe, B&K

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
4
[Apr 05, 2004]
dpl35
Audio Enthusiast

Strength:

Music sounds great in stereo or in surround modes. Has the source direct option. Crystal clear.

Weakness:

My only criticism is that you have to choose between PLII for music or movies in the set-up mode, as opposed to on the fly.

This review is for the Theater Grand 3. Let me start by stating that I have owned a Lexicon DC-1, and briefly owned a Tag McLaren AV32R. The Lexicon was great, but I was looking to upgrade. That was when I bought the Tag. The Tag was very nice and very clear. But it lacked punch. When you really wanted to crank a tune, it just didn't produce. So after reading many reviews here as well as in magazines, I picked up the TG3. It's an excellent unit, especially for music. The sound is clear and open. And it has plenty of punch for those precious hours when you have the house to yourself. This unit also allows you to go direct source, if you would like to bypass all processing. If you really like your music, and still want a processor that does well with movies, you definitely should check out the TG3. I would give this an overall 4.5 rating when you consider the price point.

Similar Products Used:

Lexicon DC-1 (AC-3) Tag McLaren AV32 Rotel RSP-1066

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
4
[Mar 22, 2004]
NJPRO
AudioPhile

Strength:

Remote Slim styling Power Manual, mostly

Weakness:

Hums Mutes when DVD fires up new DVD Clicks and pops Complacent support

This is another review of the Sunfire Ultimate. I was new to the HT game, and bought into this hype of this product - upgradable, lots of power, good looks, does it all, and Bob Carver's 'mind and soul'. I can tell you that, despite some good sound, what you have read about the downsides of this product are real. It's still glitchy after multiple upgrades. I still get the errent pop when switching sources, although that died down from rev. 3.10 to 3.12. The promised cd upgrade never materialized. While doable, downloading from the web and hooking up a pc was more of a pain than I paid for. The noise floow is high, but with HT that didn't bother me; what bothered me was that I paid 3k for a high noise floor! The firewire on the back is there for show; when I called to ask customer support about it they said it is hooked to nothing, and they are unlikely to hook it up. It hums, too, and when I start my DVD, it mutes. I called customer support on both these issues and they said: 1) yes, it hums, it was built that way and; 2) it does mute with some DVD players, they are aware of that, but there is no fix in the works. Are you still with me? I have upgraded by downgrading to a Pioneer with i-link, that works. No more 5 sacd cables, no more glitches, and I can enjoy the movie. But, sunfire's remote was better!

Similar Products Used:

Onkyo, Pioneer, Denon

OVERALL
RATING
2
VALUE
RATING
1
[Nov 21, 2003]
tdlevitt
Audio Enthusiast

Strength:

Looks, remote

Weakness:

Everything else except looks and remote to include customer support.

This review is for the Ultimate Receiver. Let me start off by saying that I have wanted Sunfire equipment now for about 5 years and after 5 years of saving up enough money (a little here a little there) I was able to make the purchase. I opened the box, hooked it up and immediately noticed harsh snapping in all surround digital modes.. I thought, no problem, got a bad unit right? Wrong. Hooked up a second unit and after about 3 weeks of use noticed increasingly harsh "static" in all channels and popping when switching from analog to digital source material. Needless to say that unit is also on it's way back to the factory. My dealer has been extremely sympathetic and has been a great help but I'm very putout with Sunfire because although they were willing to replace for a third unit I did not want to have the same thing happen again and especially after a period of time where warranty would be an issue. They would not come down that much on seperates - dealer offered to me at his cost. All in all I'm highly put out with Sunfiree on this. Both receivers were running the latest 3.12 firmware from the factory which was supposed to cure these issues. I would not recommend the Ultimate Receiver to anyone. I have a Denon AVR-4802R and DVD-5900 on order. After hearing this combo on my Definitive system, the UR could in no way compare. Everyone I taked to said the UR sounded the best and was very musical. Much more musical and dynamic than the PE VSX-49TXi and Denon AVR-5803. Wrong. The UR cannot compare to these other receivers so DO NOT BE FOOLED!!! Anyway - I hope readers take my advise and steer clear of the UR. In fact, since the UR has the same internals as the TG III I would steer clear of that Pre-Pro as well. Just honest advise from an honest consumer. Sunfire - Lets get with the game here and start producing products that are worthy of the price. I hate to bash any products but there is no excuse for this.

Similar Products Used:

Denon AVR 5803, 4802R Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi B&K AVR-507 Basically any receiver that won't pop and crack trying to destroy your tweeters.

OVERALL
RATING
1
VALUE
RATING
1
[Sep 21, 2003]
Alexandre Vieira
AudioPhile

Strength:

Qualidade de áudio tanto em multi como em dois canais. Visual, recursos & facilidade de operação.

Weakness:

O atual Controle Remoto! O modelo que acompanhava o TGII era mais bonito e prático.

Simplesmente o melhor processador multicanal de sua categoria! Possuia anteriormente um Sony TA-E9000ES ligado a um Sunfire Cinema Grand (5x200WRMS). O desempenho do Theater Grand III faz o TA-E9000ES parecer um Receiver Prologic!!! O TGIII está ligado a um Cinema Seven (7x200WRMS) que está ligado a caixas B&W (Frontais CM-2, Central CM-C & Surround DM-303) & a um subwoofer Mirage BPS-400. Todos os cabos são van den Hul, sendo os interconects D-102III (XLR & RCA), os de caixas são CS-122 para as frontais & Skyline para as surround.

Similar Products Used:

Sony TA-E9000ES

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
[Aug 30, 2003]
witchdoctor
AudioPhile

This is an update to my previous review here. Since my time with the TG3 I have managed to find ways to fine tune its already stellar performance and just wanted to share: 1) Use the XLR connections if possible. 2) Buy the best power cord you can afford. I use the NITE cord from Virtual Dynamics. 3)Isolation cones 4) Most importantly, beg , borrow , or steal some extra speakers and amps for the side axis channels. It will be best to use the same brand all around. These upgrades have brought even more pleasure to my experoence with this processor, which incidentally was just awarded best in class by The Perfect Vision. There are more reviews at ecoustics.com and an owners thread at AVS forum.

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
[Aug 30, 2003]
DonKool
AudioPhile

Strength:

Decodes every mode there is. Balanced XLR outputs. Multiple subwoofer outputs. Phono input. Very flexible switching and connection options. Easily upgradable firmware.

Weakness:

Doesn't make coffee.

Purchased this unit in May and it is unmatched for performance, features and value. This unit replaced my SONY TA77-ESD with Lexicon CP-2 pre/proc combination. Night and day! The unit is easy to set up with the on screen displays and the remote is the best multifunction remote around. I recommend using an inexpensive SPL meter to set the proper speaker levels. Set the unit where your head would be and you can adjust the levels accurately in five minutes. Just this week I purchased the Sunfire Cinema 7 Signature (400w x 7 channels) and I'm a happy camper.

Similar Products Used:

SONY TA77-ESD, LEXICON CP-2

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
[Aug 12, 2003]
Bill
Casual Listener

Strength:

Appearance, Reviews

Weakness:

see the review at audioholics

I have heard mixed things about this preamp. But the review over at audioholics.com has some info and dialog that I haven't seen before. There seems to be many shortcomings on this unit, but it still seems quite nice. I will have to find a local dealer to demo. Anyone know any in Georgia?

Similar Products Used:

B&K Ref 50, Krell Showcase

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
4
[Jul 24, 2003]
mongoose
Audio Enthusiast

Strength:

Sonic purity....(on the warmer and darker side though...more like a tube pre).Great bass and adequate bass management(newer releases, others can be software upgraded) Maybe even relatively future proof with upgrade options.(we are not talking decades or anywhere close though lol) Nice remote Easy to setup...nice manual Great video circuitry too! Plenty of input,output and pass-through ports. i

Weakness:

holographic feature and digital tone controls of dubious value.....silly glass shelf that comes with unit

Before you plunk down your hard erned cash for a $1,000 level audio/video preamp, check out the Sunfire III and the Anthem. I have auditioned more expensive pieces than the Sunfire and the Anthem, and found these two can stand in with the heavy-weights. The Anthem is the better home theater performer,with a good sound for music too. The Sunfire cannot quite duplicate the theater finesse of the Anthem or the far more expensive Lexicon entries, however it's overall tonality and sound whoops 'em all....And it is still a very satisfying home theater engine. My personal recomendation is if you can afford the Anthem or the Sunfire...do it! Again the Sunfire is the high-end sonic king here and the Anthem is the theater king....If this is too much ching for ya...try the Rotel(it's quieter than Outlaw and others at that price-point)!

Similar Products Used:

Anthem,Lexicon,Rotel,Sunfire II (the older sunfire II also sounds awesome by the way),

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
3
[Jun 19, 2003]
NUTNICK
AudioPhile

Just sold mine but thought I would add my two cents!Found that on most music sources that this had a very large sound stage , great detail --- BUT it definately added colorations .The newer version has a more true to orginal coloration factor-- I now have a Krell, and find that the imaging is right on-- call these guys at American they have great prices and are easy to do biz' with. I personally have no use for the pontifacating full price audio salons!!!

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
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