While these speakers are not $8000 B&W speakers at reproducing music, they certainly are not "pieces of garbage" and CERTAINLY are not as bad as the Bose line in either marketing or product quality.
These are VERY solid, well-built speakers with high-quality components. They do home theater second to none and aren't bad music speakers either.

Obviously Frank has to support the non-deftech speakers he chose for himself and insult the previous reviewer, rather than subjectively review the speakers themselves for the purpose they were designed for.

Have owned the BP-3000s for three months now, and have had ample timeto tinker with the bass settings and placement. We also have a pair of Legacy
Classics and VMPS Tower II SE. The deep bass on the def-techs is as powerful
as the VMPS and as tight as the Legacies, but extends deeper than either.

The mids and highs are very neutral. You can hear the differences between
amplifiers. It is as good in low level resolution as Legacies, and has far superior
dynamics. I have always thought the Legacies were excellent speakers - the
def-techs are just that much better. Now its time to up-grade the Yamaha 3090
and Adcom front end. Can't wait to hear these with a first class amplifier.

I've had the BP 3000's at home for about a month now. They are paired up with the CLR 3000 as a center channel and BP 2000's as surrounds - I also still use a PF1800 Def Tech sub for the LFE information.
The speakers are driven by three Adcom 555MkII amps and pre amped through a Sony ES reciever. All speaker settings are "large" - allowing full range frequencies to every speaker.

I absouletly LOVE these speakers. My 15x22 room has wood floors which causes some reflections that I would like to get rid of. But that is the only shortcoming I experience right now - definitely not a attribute of the speaker design.

Bass is foundation shaking, bone crushing, dish breaking, you name it. The Bi-polar design fair extremely well giving a HUGE sound stage. The high end seems clean and neutral. I enjoy all sorts of music - the sub-20Hz frequencies of organ music blow me away. And for HT use - I have truly heard nothing better.

As some have said: Definitely reccomended. I would buy them again.

BASS, HT SOUND

PRICE

I have a uncle who own's a Audio shop and I have had the pleasure to view many high end speakers. These speakers, BP3000 sound good with home theater and pretty good with music. I really think that if you listen to alot of good speakers you might and I mean might hear that the sound almost sounds fake. Don't get me wrong, on theater the bass is outstanding but this tends to cover up some sound flaws. What I don't like about these reviews is that every ear is different and every room is different such as windows, carpet, drapes, temperature and doors. What sounds great in one room or house will not alwayes sound great in another. So to say one view is wrong is like talking about politics. These are good speakers but for the price, the PSB and Paradigm sound like a better value. They do not have the bass like the 3000 and 3002, but sound better across the rest of the spectrum. Remember, this is in my room.

Similar Products Used:

B&W 802M, PSB GOLD, PARADIGM 100 V2., JBL L240Ti

BIG,LOUD,heavy and does not cost as much as it costs your shiny new hearing aids.

Big brute on steroids,tries to do a Wilson MAXX immitation and fails.Tries to be a JM Lab and fails.Tries to sound as loud as a Klipsch Horn and fails.

These beasts can sure slam,the cops will have to use earplugs if they dont want to feel like in a shooting alley.These are so loud!

Paly Metalica and company and feel the power.Play any rap tune with serious bass and pretend to be a gangsta.Play classical and...oh well nevermind.

Good speakers for the price,good construction,BIG woofer(18 inches!)with a big 1000 W amp(peak power,not true RMS here)

What is next?The Deaf Tech 5000?With a 24 inch woofer,eight 8" midbass drivers and four tweeters!?And a 2700W Sun On Fire amp?

Most will say WOW,the best,the Loudest,the...ah LOUDEST did I say LOUD?

Not bad still four outta five.For home theater.

I prefer my Velodyne HGS-18 sub with two Sunfire Signatures!
This stuff is LOUD...and goes even lower!

Similar Products Used:

None

I went over to Jerry's Audio Video to listen to these monsters.
Oh My GOD. $4,500 for these, COME ON.

Many dealers will discount their lines. I can buy a pair of PSB Stratus GOLDi's, Vandersteen 3a's , Martin Logan Aerius i , Hale Revelation 3's, Thiel CS 1.5's, All Class B speakers for $1999. Then go buy a Sub Woofer , maybe even two (HSU's or some other good brand) and be able to listen to music, not just watch movies, and still have money left over.

Please go listen to better speakers. Buy them, then send me the difference:)

Of course, you might need to arc weld something in your home theater, so you could use the 1000 watt amp in the bottom of one of your speakers to do this.

Basically, $4,500 Eosone's.

Frank

Frank, you hit it right on the money. However, I wouldn't limit myself to just the Stereophile Recommended Class B speakers, which you seem to have done here. There are others out there that are just as good (maybe better), but for one reason or another, not among those blessed by the "Bible". Enjoy...

Just read this page, having recently listened to this speaker while auditioning another product. It just happened to be the speaker the dealer had set up in the "big room".
Arif explained the technical side properly, and another poster spoke to the audiophile characteristics, citing the
comparison he and a friend made with Martin-Logans. Agree.
I in fact own MLs and would be hard pressed to go back to any box speaker. That said, I am surprised at some of the criticisms here. These are damn good speakers for music and HT, ones under different circumstances I might buy and be happy with. But not at the list price: that is too high :>)

My first impression was: "Gee, the bottom end is quite good but I expect the mids and highs to get lost in the sludge." But having brought a number of my own CDs and later listening to some DTS demo stuff, I found that not to be the case. Clear, open, huge soundstage with no significant loss of resolution or subtlety. (Demo was the finale of Mahler's 2nd - don't remember the orchestra.... think it was the Vienna.) Anyway, very impressive, accurate, and natural.
As I said before, were I not an ES fan, I'd seriously consider these speakers. Very well done, DefTech!

I've used this speaker for over a year now and have been greatly pleased with it. At these price it must be one of the best value speaker pair around in terms of cost vs. performance. I must say that, having read some of the other reviews, marking this speaker with only three stars surprised me - until I noticed that they were comparing it with the Avalon, B&W, and Dynaudio. Come on, guys, they cost 2 - 3 times as much, that's hardly a fair reason to mark the Definitive Technology bp 3000tl down!! Most people here complaint about the bp3000tl probably still using zip cords such as the Monster interlink 100jr to connect the 18" sub-woofers to their amplifiers... believe me, I did, and the bass sounded like crap. I've tried different cables for the sub including: Monsters interlink 400 mkII; Monster sub-woofer cable 201 THX and 351 THX; MIT T4's and MIT 330 s2. All these cables sounded different but the MIT 330 s2 is clearly the best of the bunch. The salesperson thought I was crazy to use such an expensive cable for the sub-woofer but it was worth every penny. Given that audioadvisor will sell you the 10 ft pair for only $175, it's a steal. By the way, who ever say this speakers sound bad on classical music should hookup this woofer with the MIT 330 s2 and then listen to Herbert Von Karajan's Berliner Philharmoniker Beethoven 9 symphonien and see if you still find the bass to be slow.

First, I'll admit that this speaker will not give you the same "musical sounds" as you would get from a high quality headphone. Some higher end speakers such as B&W etc will give you a better sound for music but still cannot beat a good set of headphone. The underlying reason for this can be attributed to the bp's frequently curve (not exactly flat to say the least). Having said that, I think most people underestimated the potentials of the Definitive speakers; as a result, they are not getting the best sound possible and then blame it on the speaker. This underestimation can be traced to an overall poor understanding of issues such as speaker placements, pre-amp set-ups, quality of the sources, types of cables used, following the manual, paying attentions to polarity (esp. during biwired set-ups) etc, etc. I found that the bp is very revealing, so one misstep (wrong polarity etc.) in the set-up will result in a poorer sound quality. The foremost challenge for the def tech is to get the bass to sound "right", the second is to get the highs to sound smooth, the mid-range do not present too much of a problem. I have live with these speakers for over 2 years, and have tried everything there is in the book, including: biwire with all jumpers in and out, RCA input through the full range input and through the LFE. Feeding RCA input from the full range section of the receiver vs. feeding it from the sub-woofer section. Running the full range RCA bass input straight from the CD player and by-pass the pre-amp and the amp etc. In addition, I've invited some of my rich audiophile friends (whom only listened to B&W speakers) over for a few listening sessions; phoning definitive for advice; talking to a fair amount of sales reps; reading posts from audioreviews etc. Incidentally, my rich audiophile friends didn't complaint too much about the def tech's high, but keep saying the def tech's bass department have a lot to be desired for. So, after much trials and errors, I've came up with a set-up that I believe is the "ultimate" for the bp3000. The set-up I'm about to describe is designed especially for music. No one here complaint about the HT set-ups so this can be ignored for now.

To get the best sound for music, do the following:

For the highs and the mid:

'- In order to attain a good solid image of stereo sound, with plenty of background tonal texture, the speakers pair should not be placed too far apart (no more than 7 ft). Placing the speaker further than that will still give you a good central image providing that you crank the volume loud enough, but you are sacrificing the background tonal texture (a fault of the speaker for not meeting the flattest RF curve out there). However, even with this placement, I still say that the higher end B&W will beat the def tech, but not by much. Definitely not "blow away" the def tech in any means
'- The speaker pair should be place slightly in front of the TV so as to allow for uncluttered space in the centre, this give the speaker breathing room.
'- The speaker pair should not be place too close to the side wall and the front wall, they need good room to breath.
'- Good cables do make a difference. I.e., good interconnects and speaker wires.
'- Biwiring is a lot better than just simply run a single speaker line. Tri-wire will not give you much more benefit.
'- It's imperative that you remove the gold jumpers (follow the manual) for this set-up.

For the bass, running the RCA line level input will definitely gives a better sound that relying on speaker wire alone. However, with the low gold jumper removed, it's up to you to find the best means to power that sub, and if you use sloppy wiring you will get sloppy bass sound. Powering the bass is perhaps the most difficult task to do it right. Most people complain about the muddy bass and completely lacking of tonal definition when the bass volume node is turned more than halfway. This problem can be fixed by using good RCA cable wiring. Ideally, you should be using the same high quality interconnect to connect your sub to the pre-amp as the high quality interconnect you use for your CD player. In other words, use full range RCA cable wiring for the sub to realize the maximum power of full range inputs to the sub, not sub-woofer cable wiring. This only make logical sense because the full range signal coming from the pre-amp cannot be better than the full range signals coming from the CD player, which is the real source. So to use a more expensive sub-woofer cable will be a waste of money with no return. To get THE BEST sound for the sub is of course to run the RCA low level input directly from the CD player (assuming you have 2 sets of RCA outputs on the CD player). However, this is not so practical given that most people want to watch movie at times. I found that with this set-up, I could turn the bass node to the 3 o'clock position and still get good solid bass.

Overall, I am happy with this speaker and for the versatility it has to offer, it deserves a 5 stars.